this one is through the department of commerce. they help you connect with those large corporations that would otherwise probably not look at you as a potential source. >> so peter, this feels to me like we don't hear this part of how government actually contributes through raising the sba cap so there's more capital. making sure that minority owned and women have more opportunities to bid on the big contract. >> certainly, government plays a decisive role in deciding who gets an opportunity for the businesses out there. one of the things i'm curious to hear from you guys at the table, my sense from talking to other business owners is that you're by and large not sitting and waiting for the government to solve your problems. you're waiting for demand to return into the american economy. there are not enough people in america today who can afford to buy your goods and services. that's something that government can influence this in a very direct way. >> i love that issue o demand. sometimes black hair care is called the recession pr